Hi Steve, regarding the Netgear Nighthawk-- price is relative; perhaps features justify the price but that seems really expensive. T Mobile is making some real headway in Whatcom County coverage; I signed my mother up for their Internet Access Device (Tall Cylinder) at $50 per month for data and device with a free two week trial. Unlimited, unthrottled data, I was stunned at the performance in Lynden: 250-300 MB/S down, 20-30 up. I can’t help but wonder how this device might perform on a boat, although that would limit you to T Mobile.
It is very expensive for what it is. If you need a hotspot, and need 5G and the speeds that come with it, maybe it is worth it for that particular use case. If you look on the costs for Peplink routers that support 5G, they are quite expensive as well, but there is a lot more flexibility with those products.
Thanks for the performance report on T-Mobile. They are quite fast in the north sound!
I came across your review whilst researching my own Netgear Nighthawk setup, which is… shall we say, still in development! As I’m pulling my hair out (what’s left of it) I wonder if you could offer me some tips on completing the setup of my boat home network. I currently have a Nighthawk M1 4G router which has been working as a LAN wifi hotspot for our devices on board. I recently purchased a Ubiquity Bullet M2HP Wifi booster, which runs on POE. My hope was to plug in the Ethernet end of the Bullet into the Nighthawk and use the Data Offloading function to limit our 4G data usage when there are public wifi networks available. However, the two devices do not seem to agree who is boss, and both want to act as routers. I’ve tried a number of different solutions, but none seem to work smoothly. Do you have any experience with these products and do you have any general thoughts about how to approach this? Would it be preferable to use a separate dedicated router as the hub for my LAN and plug the Nighthawk and Bullet into this router instead? It’s all very confusing I’m afraid.
Have you tried using the Bullet M2HP standalone? UniFi/UI/Ubiquiti got out of producing the Bullet series in the traditional form a few years ago, and the ones that still exist aren’t usable for anything other than point-to-point connections to other Ubiquiti products. Perhaps that is what you’re using it for? If you aren’t and intended on grabbing remote WiFi signals, it’s possible you have one of the newer units that won’t do that…
A Bullet or similar device should work if connected to the Nighthawk LAN port and with offloading enabled. Even though the Bullet might be doing normal router functions, it’s only client is the Nighthawk, and not your end clients directly.
There’s also an option to turn things like the Bullet into “bridge” mode where they act as a client, and not a full fledged router, which I’ve done with devices connected into the Nighthawk, but it does take a bit more networking skill.
I personally would go the route you brought up - a central router for your local network, and have the Bullet and Nighthawk plugged into that router as WAN sources. That way you can upgrade your Nighthawk at some point down the road, or add a second one, and not have to reconfigure or mess with things.
I haven’t tried using the Bullet as a stand alone router. It was sold to me as a Wifi booster for marine use, and there is software integration in the product that allows me to connect to whatever Wifi signal I can pick up with the antenna. I have verified that it is possible to transmit data over the Bullet in bridge mode, but the problem is getting the system to operate smoothly without having to do major reconfigurations every time I want to connect to a Wifi network. The Nighthawk settings need to be changed via the web client every time I want to try to connect to a new wifi network and can’t be changed from within the Netgear app itself. For some reason I have to first turn off the Data Offloading, then access the Bullet and establish a connection, and then turn the Data Offloading back on. Overall it is super annoying. I think I’ll try to go the route you suggested and purchase a central WAN router and see how that goes.
Hey Steve, I need the external antenna so that I can keep the M1 1100 inside the house, and keep it cool. I get great speed when the unit is outside, but Texas heat will kill the unit.
I see that I am using the B30 band as your mentioned, do you know if there is a netgear router that both operates on the B30 band, but that also allows use of the two TS9 external antenna connections? What I have now does not. This is make or break.
Thanks, but just to clarify/confirm. My M1 has both TS9s, but according to what I’ve found, some of the supported bands do not use the TS9 connectors. In other words it won’t try the TS9 port if those particular bands are connected. I called Netgear about this but still not getting anywhere.
Understood. I had heard that some of the bands don’t use the external antenna connectors. It makes sense, since standard CAT-18 and CAT-20/5G modems require 4x4 antenna elements, and the TS9 connectors are ostensibly only 2x2. That would mean some weird coverage issues and potential bands not on the external antennas due to the way things are wired. If a particular band is required, the only way you could really guarantee that is either with a booster (not great) or with a different router with proper external antenna connectors.
Hi Steve - thanks for the incredible articles on choosing mobile hotspots, plans, routers etc.
As of 8/13/22 Amazon is listing this at >$800! If I don’t need anything fancy - is there any reason (compatibility, bands, etc) that would make going with the M1/MR1100 a bad idea? (which is also crazy expensive right now)
Well, the biggest difference would be that the M1/MR1100 is 4G and not 5G so it would definitely have a performance impact and not support any of the 5G bands. I still love both versions - they’re very reliable and well made products.
Thanks - yes I realize it’s 4G! Trying to overcome really bad wireless at our marina (and others) - need good connectivity, not huge bandwidth…
Any idea what on earth is causing the major price increases (of even the M1?)
I’m going to guess it is the usual reason that is driving up prices elsewhere - supply chain issues. I haven’t heard anything in particular around Netgear’s products. I do know a lot of the other mobile-specific vendors are feeling pressure from Starlink and are actually dropping their prices, so this particular one doesn’t make that much sense…